Autistic Wellness and Structure | Burnout Recovery Without Toxic Positivity with Sam Mitchell

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[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the episode of CrazyFitnessGuy's Healthy Living Podcast

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I have a cool guest coming on my podcast

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_00]: His name is Sam

[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_00]: And he runs his own podcast called Autism Rock and Roll

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just going to let him introduce himself

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_00]: because that's what I'd like to do with some of my guests

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome Sam

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you, thank you Mr. Clare

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a huge humongous honor

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_00]: So tell me a little bit about your podcast

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, this is my mom, Riley

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_05]: She's going to be joining us as well

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, hi everybody

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Thanks for having me on here

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_06]: My name's Gina and I'm Sam's mom

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_05]: So what is it?

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_05]: So to answer your question about my podcast

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, you're not your podcast

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_05]: So to answer your question about

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_05]: To talk about my podcast

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_05]: It's about autism because I have high functioning autism

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm on the spectrum and I've been on it for a good long time

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_05]: And I started to get the stigma off of autism

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's about autism how I cope with daily struggles

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_05]: That you may or may not understand

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And what kind of struggles do you go through every day?

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, so the first one is this

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Have you ever said something to where you spat out

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_05]: You probably thought, oh shoot, I shouldn't have said that

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, pretty much every day

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, you're not the only one

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_05]: That's one of my struggles

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_05]: I spit out something I probably should have said

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Like it comes out of your mouth

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_05]: You're like, oh, you want to put it back in

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Yep, that's my life every single day

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_05]: At least someone else is like that

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_05]: And I don't play compromise well

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't do plan Bs

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm like we're doing it or we're not doing it

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, like we're not doing

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_05]: We're not going to go to the store

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_05]: If it's strawberry ice cream, like let's say that for example

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_05]: I want that

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_05]: We're getting that strawberry ice cream

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Or I'm not getting anything at all

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I can relate to that a little bit as well too

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_00]: For me, I struggle with sometimes looking people in the eye

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I've gotten better at it

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of made a game out of it a little bit

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I first looked at it behind the wall at the person

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And then I looked at the person's eyes and then I go around the room multiple times

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_00]: And then looked at the rug behind their feet and whatnot

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't look at their feet, but I look behind them a lot of the time

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_00]: So then it doesn't look like I'm staring at them

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's another problem

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't mean to stare, but when I get bored with something

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_05]: That's my way of shutting down with schoolwork is

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not like, well screw this math assignment

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not doing it

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_05]: No, that's not me or I'm like, I know I'm not doing it

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_05]: My way of shutting down is I just stare at a person

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Or look always to the left

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_05]: And look at a wall or a person and stare at that accidentally

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_00]: That's why I did with my schoolwork when I was in no school

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I stared at my work because I hated schoolwork

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Especially math

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_00]: It was probably my nine-in-accountant

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I said to people, I've only related to that

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I like from seeing the numbers in my bank account go up

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_00]: There's only been going down lately

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks, pandemic

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I think everybody's down

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_00]: So just out of curiosity, why did you

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm no good at

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_00]: So just out of curiosity, why did you pick the name autism rock and rolls?

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, it's rocks and rolls

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't mean to correct you, but I know someone

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_05]: The listener is confused because there's a podcast called autism rock and roll

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_05]: But I don't want it's rocks and rolls

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_05]: I just don't want to get them confused

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_05]: So the why I take this because I take autism

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Because that was the name

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_05]: We thought it's like what would be something good to go with it

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_05]: It was going to be inside autistic brain but that sounded bland

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_05]: So I thought well, wait a minute, what do I like?

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe I could make a hobby and turn to something I like

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_05]: And put that in the title

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_05]: So I learned that over time I still do love rock music

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Like hard metal rock

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Edgy music and that's where we came up with the name rocks and rolls

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_00]: That's cool

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_00]: What's your favorite type?

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_00]: What's your favorite band?

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, there's it's a tie between two AC DC and Nickelback

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I like AC DC too

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I've seen two of them in concert

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_05]: You lucky dogs

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_00]: They weren't easy tickets to come by

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Though I did say to myself if they were ever having one last rock and roll show

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Before they were all retired

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to be at their very very front row seat

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_05]: You're going to take me with you man

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, why not

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_05]: And you should take a look at their new album Power Up 2020

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_05]: That's a good album

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_05]: It reminds you of the old AC DC

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've uh I subscribe

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I put some of their new songs in my Spotify playlist

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Didn't pick all of them

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Some of them I didn't care for

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of I'm kind of picking and choosy. I don't know

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm weird

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_07]: We're all weird

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's no normal

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_07]: There's no normal

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_07]: We're all weird

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_07]: That's what we all say

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_07]: I guarantee I'm weird

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_00]: So uh

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think is the most challenging part being autistic

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Socializing

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Honestly

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean nothing against you but doing this is a minor challenge, but socializing in person

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Or at school is a major challenge

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I get that

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_00]: What about uh as a for a parent what do you find most struggling for with someone who lives with you

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Who's autistic

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I mean, you know as a mom as a parent when your child struggles you feel like you're struggling too

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_06]: um so

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know. I mean probably

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Probably being

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Being patient and trying to look at the world like sam looks at the world because I think that's only fair

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Um when he was diagnosed what he was for, you know, I always spent

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Not not a lot of time but like for for a while. I thought in my mind. I thought

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Sam I understand that he has autism

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_06]: but

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_06]: I understand that he has autism, but at the same time

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_06]: He's got to like, you know conform to our world and he has to

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_06]: He has to do this and he has to do that and then finally I thought well, wait a minute

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_06]: He does

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_06]: But I should be looking at the world through his eyes too

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Like he shouldn't have to work look through the world through my eyes because that's harder for him

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_06]: So that's what I that's kind of the struggle sometimes is if he's struggling with something

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Part of me just wants to be like, are you serious?

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Like come on like stop it. Like let's just do this like let's do it this way

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_06]: and um

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_06]: And that's not possible for him sometimes. So that's the hardest thing for me

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Is to be patient and to understand like you got to let him

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_06]: You got to let him think things through the way that he knows how

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_06]: So that's why

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_00]: But do you always do you feel like that sometimes?

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_00]: society

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, does it ever feel like that society always never always feel like we had to act as societies

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Measures and that they never adapt to us

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think yes, but mainly in teenagers. Yeah

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_06]: But I think you can come at that various ways

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_06]: I think that society does have a stigma on autism and that's kind of sam's mission through his podcasts

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_06]: kind of remove that and to like get people to understand that one

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_06]: This is how

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_06]: People on the spectrum think and unless they're being destructive violent

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Disrespectful then we need to stop trying to make them what people call normal because that's not fair

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, we nobody should get to choose what normal is and that's just there's no normal. That's not the right thing

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_06]: so

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, and then like it depends on

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Depends on the age group

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, um adults seem to be more understanding because of maturity

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_06]: But you have you know little kids that tell it like it is

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_06]: And then you have just those awful middle school high school years

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Where you know, that's hard for everybody on or off of the spectrum

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, I think that you know, sam had a really hard time fitting in in middle school kind of early high school

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Because people just didn't know how to take him or they just didn't giving the time of day

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_06]: They just immediately judged him like okay. He's a little quirky

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Like he's not really acting like we're acting so we're not going to talk to him

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_06]: We're not going to put we're not going to you know bring him into our group because that's what kids do

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_06]: and so

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_06]: That was hard, you know, but um, yeah, it still is. Yeah, absolutely

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I know uh how that

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Feels to because no, I was bullied

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_00]: and from elementary school all the way to high school and

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Part of me I wish it never happened

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_00]: But I kind of think it got me to where I am today

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_00]: because I

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of feel like

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_00]: you know

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Kind of has to get through some of these hardships

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I also

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_00]: understand

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I also feel the same way that there's a lot of people

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Especially uh, some people in Hollywood

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Do not understand autism

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I was telling sam

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Before you came down

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_00]: To the podcast that uh, there's this new movie

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_00]: called music

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_00]: has a thousand

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Bad stars and he's getting

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_00]: as two nominations for the golden globes

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_00]: This coming sunday

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_00]: And I said to him that it's it's that their message

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Is like the most uh discouraging message of them all and they said

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_00]: In their message of and I never seen the movie by any means but

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Just reading upon the movie days so that um, the director

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Didn't research autism very well

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_00]: the the actor who

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Played an autistic character. It wasn't even autistic

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And they also

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_00]: They said that uh, it's okay to use restraint against people who have autism and

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_00]: And I also did research upon that that it's illegal to do that in 30 plus states

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what happened to the other 20 states, but um

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I think they fell asleep somewhere

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, but yeah, I just wanted to get to your thoughts if you have heard anything of that movie

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_08]: I haven't

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_08]: We should check it out. Yeah, we will

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just curious uh

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I I

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I also said to sam I made a

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_00]: A petition if you guys would like to sign it after the show

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, because I'm gonna send it eventually to hollywood

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Whoever in hollywood. I need to sign to and to share my disgracefulness of

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_00]: The movie so let me try to do that. Uh ending of last year into this year

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know the outcome of that petition

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, I don't think it really worked because they still had the premiere of the movie

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_06]: I will I will look at that. Have you ever watched the series um the good doctor?

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_00]: uh, I heard of it. I watched I think the first episode but

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_00]: uh, my

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_00]: My days of the week is so like

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_00]: So busy. I like karate three days a week and

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And then I've classed two days a week and

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I can do that. I'm a black belt. So I can totally relate with that

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's cool. Do you do taekwondo?

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I did it used to be a mixed martial arts, but now that I'm just in kickboxing

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_05]: She was in kickboxing too, but she had a bad knee that that one to fight honestly. Yeah, I did five years of pro maga

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Geez, so but then like messed my knee up. So

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I'm gonna let you guys talk

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm gonna run upstairs and try to get some work done

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_06]: But I just wanted to pop in and say hi and meet you and

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Um, give you some of my thoughts, but I think sam can take it over for me. Yeah, probably

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_06]: All right, it was nice to meet you nice to meet you too

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_06]: All right sam

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_00]: So, uh sam just out of curiosity, uh

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think needs to change for people to

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh to understand autism or

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, what was that? Sorry, um, what do you think needs to change for people to understand autism?

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_05]: What what he'll need to change is give us a chance honestly. They need to give us the opportunity

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_05]: and

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_05]: And give us the opportunity to see that we're not bad people and we're not broken

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I totally agree with you on that one. Uh

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that we could do a lot better in this world, especially um

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you know this uh, but the uh, there's some companies like apple

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Microsoft and

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_00]: think google also

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_00]: hire people who's on the spectrum to

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_00]: get their

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_00]: perspective because

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I know for me, I like I can pay and I look at the very little small details of everything

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Which does

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_05]: We're perfect. I can always I always say we're perfectionist

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I could definitely I can definitely say I'm one of them because uh

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Some of the stuff that breaks on my website or doesn't do what I want to do

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, can I can this thing work the way I wanted to work? No

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Um

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's probably why a lot of stuff takes me a long time because I just want everything to be perfect

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_05]: That's yeah, I lost that's why my editing with my effort with my podcast and my editing it takes a while

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_05]: That's why I think I'm so good at because I don't miss the detail. I'm like, nope

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_05]: We're not gonna skip that if it's possible click

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so sometimes for me I uh

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes I just kind of allowed

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Mistakes to

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Happen a little bit just because to keep it real

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_00]: because everything just kind of

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_00]: You know everything tries to be perfect on commercials on tv

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And you have the misconception of like hey, everything has to be

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_00]: One way and I was like, yeah, okay. I I had an extra arm in my sentence. Oh well

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, then no and he is you know, it does not have to be their way

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_05]: It can be your way. Yeah

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_00]: My way with that. I know it's

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Like I'm defining the parents or something like that, but you know

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_05]: If we're doing it, we're gonna do it our way. You don't like it

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_05]: I guess we're not gonna do it then that's what I always kind of believed is you know, like when I get a job

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm gonna stock shelves my way if that makes any sense

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, sorry not get fired but

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_00]: So how long have you been podcasting for all over a year since October 2019?

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Geez your podcast is older than mine. Geez

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I've been podcasting since you do the math

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've been podcasting since uh, april of last year

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I'm only how many uh

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_00]: How many people uh, have you interviewed so far for your podcast? I can tell you that

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Um, so yes, I've had some big guests. I'll tell you who they are

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_05]: So, um

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_05]: The first guy I've had is our body Williams who was the first openly NASCAR autistic driver

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_05]: I've had a guy named ancient here who was in neurodiversity in collation

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_05]: At neon University made it and then do you watch guys grocery games at all?

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, or like food network shows. Yep. Okay. Do you know the bald the bald headed one like Simon the jump door?

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I never heard of him, but I think if I

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Have I seen him? I probably remember. Okay. I've had hand view plays for autistic cherries also has a

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_05]: nephew

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_05]: That has autism. So that's near and dear to his heart

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Um, I've had family

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_05]: I've had temple grandin who's the biggest autistic advocate probably alive. She changed a caliber a lot

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_05]: and

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_05]: I've also had james durbin who's the fourth runner up on the

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_05]: 2011 american idol season

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I've also had

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_05]: My karate instructors. I've also had

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_05]: um, mani harvey

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Who is the fourth runner up on the 2017 agt season? So fourth runner must be my magic number

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know why

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_05]: um

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Peter lance is a vegan developer that has autism

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_05]: And recently jason mcllwin who made 20 points in a single game

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_05]: And he has autism as well

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_05]: And mani is deaf

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_00]: geez

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Just our curiosity. How do you find these people?

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Message them

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_05]: That's honestly the best way

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_05]: If you go to facebook, can you type in their name some will have them some won't but let's say you want and i'm going to make a

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Let's say, um

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Just say you're a celebrity. Okay jimmy claire

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, it says messaging because that's where because he does check their messenger

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Click that send them a message

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_05]: And they either ignore or they respond but then sometimes it's jimmy claire

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Nope, then you just forget about them

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Man, I wish I was a celebrity

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_05]: I know

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_05]: I do too

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_05]: I do too, buddy

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I got um

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I actually uh

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Just to tell you a little bit about me. Uh my subscribers

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Now this but uh, I'm actually an autism advocate and a motivational speaker

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_00]: and

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_00]: uh

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm actually uh applied to be

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_00]: um on the uh

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Speaking at this national autism convention in uh, june of this year

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_05]: That's funny. I got asked to

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Really?

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Geez, I did I think I did let me let me go check

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm pretty sure I'm I'm pretty sure I did

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Hey mom

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Mom

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Next to you

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Made a mistake. Um, my mom's working on it, but

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_05]: We might be able to we may not it depends

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Well

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_00]: So, uh, do you think that are there any other misconceptions about autism?

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_00]: uh, yeah

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that were dumb that were stupid that were

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Completely broke

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Like broken inside that we can't do anything

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Not the case

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. Oh, he's

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_05]: This pants forever

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I agree with that one too

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I don't like those misconceptions either

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I hate them

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_00]: You and me both

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_00]: So, uh before we wrap up just out of curiosity

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Where can people find you and listen to your podcast?

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_05]: So thank you for finding on pod being spotify itunes apple podcast youtube linkedin stitcher

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_05]: as Spotify

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And uh, are you on any social media networks?

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_05]: um facebook

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Sam stories

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and uh, I'll put all these

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_00]: linked in the show notes

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And uh, do you have any last words before we wrap up rock and roll? It's so simple yet so complicated

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Perfect well, thanks for being on the show sam and of course

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_00]: and uh

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